tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post3808484701556537933..comments2023-11-26T10:40:07.165-08:00Comments on j i g s a w: In the Beginning There Was Rhythm!Tobi Vailhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-43164944953860329192010-10-26T13:29:46.702-07:002010-10-26T13:29:46.702-07:00Hey Tobi!! Yeah, I'll send you a copy for sure...Hey Tobi!! Yeah, I'll send you a copy for sure. Definitely. I love your writings. I know that bands don'T last on forever, but I'm still happy to say that I'm "part of" that scene where I live.<br /><br />Love -xoxoxLenorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12322093541131045364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-45220199738626275192010-10-23T16:56:45.749-07:002010-10-23T16:56:45.749-07:00Hi Lenora, cool thanks for all the links! Please s...Hi Lenora, cool thanks for all the links! Please send me a copy of your fanzine when you are done. That's great that you have a cool scene in Montreal, but even those of us lucky enough to have a cool scene need to "make something happen" where we live, because bands don't last forever, so we always have to be creating the future! Best wishes to you<br />xoxo<br />TobiTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-60805476970365158442010-10-23T16:45:20.152-07:002010-10-23T16:45:20.152-07:00Hey Tobi. You told me to make someting happen in m...Hey Tobi. You told me to make someting happen in my town. Well, MY town has all the female musicians you ever wanted to see on stage. We've got so much basement shows and like 97% of hte bands gots a woman in it. I don't need to make something happen in my town like a new scene or something cuz we already got what we want. I'm also writing a zine with two other grr(r)ls about our fabulous scene.<br /><br />Maybe you should review some of these bands ( if you have time)<br /><br />myspace.com/thefacialsmtl<br />(electro punk dance punk siouxsie and the banshees kinda voice)<br /><br />myspace.com/pantyhosmtl<br />(can't explain)<br /><br />myspace.com/sissyfist<br />(gentle punkrock)<br /><br />myspace.com/switzerland0101<br />(electronic voice effect thing)<br /><br />myspace.com/doubledipmtl<br />(sounds like bk)Lenorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12322093541131045364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-68005122020861461932010-10-22T23:05:10.574-07:002010-10-22T23:05:10.574-07:00thanks, i was going to ask where we can find allis...thanks, i was going to ask where we can find allison's response. also thanks for taking the time to write about something so hard to reconstruct for those of us who were not in olympia at the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-15755348937589247622010-10-02T20:46:38.857-07:002010-10-02T20:46:38.857-07:00P.S. maybe Allison Wolfe added the third "R&q...P.S. maybe Allison Wolfe added the third "R". It is there in this reproduction of the cover of one of the first (the first) RG fanzines http://simplesocial.tumblr.com/post/1222958099 I guess there were just probably multiple spellings and this one took off! I still generally spell if with two "r"'s...Tobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-14050945816948939842010-10-02T20:17:08.250-07:002010-10-02T20:17:08.250-07:00Here is Allison Wolfe's review:
http://www.nyp...Here is Allison Wolfe's review:<br />http://www.nypress.com/article-21671-reconsidering-riot-grrrl.htmlTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-54019905289680353352010-10-02T20:14:25.372-07:002010-10-02T20:14:25.372-07:00Hi Jo, I hope you are still writing! I loved your ...Hi Jo, I hope you are still writing! I loved your review of Girls To The Front so much that I didn't really share my analysis here so much, I just want to come out and say I support the book and appreciate all Sara's hard work. I want people to read it and to hear their responses. Reading Allison Wolfe's review was interesting. I think it's true that Bratmobile is often not taken seriously, which is really too bad, because they were a fantastic group at the center of riot grrl. I didn't get any kind of dismissive attitude towards them or Allison in the book, but then again I wasn't looking for it either and might not have picked up on it. You can definitely tell that Marcus is a big BK fan. Kathleen is the hero (shero?) of the book, at least the first 3/4, but I think SM does a good job of representing Kathleen as an artist/performer. It seemed to provide a more thorough and complete picture of Kathleen's work than I have seen before.<br />I did feel that GTTF represents Olympia in a slightly dismissive way that seemed sort of unfair. <br />If I was writing the book, I would actually credit both the Olympia and DC punk scenes (as well as the early 90's bay area and LA/San Diego punk scenes) with providing the context for what happened, both good and bad...but I guess that would require talking about the 80's and the transition to the 90's, which is difficult to explain, since we were at the center of all of that shit--and SM has emphasized that she didn't want this to be a music history so much as a history of a political movement. <br />I hope future tellings of this story talk a little more about "riot grrl" as a counter-culture, or as you mentioned in your email, a part of feminist art history...<br />Allison brings up good points in her discussion about the ethics of writing this book in the third person. <br />I thought that was an interesting choice. She has a subjective voice, but she writes in what is usually considered to be an objective storytelling style. Creative non-fiction as you mentioned...I think SM is a good writer and she has written a good book, but this is a partial history, as well-researched as it is (though, as Allison notes, there are some mistakes here and there)...a more complete picture will emerge as more books are published. Thanks again for writing such a great review!<br />xo<br />TobiTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-780081851297585602010-10-02T19:58:51.839-07:002010-10-02T19:58:51.839-07:00Hi Aaron, yeah The Human Skab rules! I am going to...Hi Aaron, yeah The Human Skab rules! I am going to interview Travis for the first issue my new fanzine, Sham Pants #1, which isn't online as far as I know, though maybe we'll post it somewhere. Still jogging, yes. Had a shitty summer, but trying to get back to writing and playing music. I hope you are doing great! x TobiTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-48978629314399775122010-10-02T10:07:59.325-07:002010-10-02T10:07:59.325-07:00Hi Lenora, you should start a band! Make a fanzine...Hi Lenora, you should start a band! Make a fanzine! Play a show! Start a feminist punk scene (or do whatever you think needs to happen) in Montreal! Thanks for your letter and for keeping RG alive. If it means something to you now, that is great. I hope you can take that inspiration and turn it into participation, that is what it is all about! That is what I mean by "start a fucking riot!" Make something happen in your town, where you live, what what is available to you, grounded in the now. Good luck to you and thanks for writing to Jigsaw. xoxoox TobiTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-44092840554135968552010-10-02T08:24:11.149-07:002010-10-02T08:24:11.149-07:00I am one of those weirdo 12 year-old groupie fans ...I am one of those weirdo 12 year-old groupie fans who have been watching bikini kill videos all over and over again. For trying to enjoy it on Youtube as it could have been live 15 years ago. I wrote my long story to BK Archives a long time ago. I've been downloading riot grrrl retrospective interviews ( on video) through Internet. I downloaded some great BK shows (audio & videos). Bought april fool's day, kathleen's newsletter and bk 1 and 2 for 40 dollars only because I wanted to consider myself as a Riot Grrrl really deeply inside. I read them all over and over again. My mom founded Jigsaw 5 1/2 one day at a show not so long time ago. And I still read it. I actually live in Montreal, Canada and I know this girl who said she did an interview with you like maybe 15 years ago or something. And also there's this other girl who wrote this zine "Fight Boredom with GIRL LOVE" wich is like a riot grr(r)l retrospect and she's saying she didn't wanted to write A r.g. zine even though she talk about it a lot. I'll send you a copy if you want, people all over the world wanna know the story of it. <br /><br />I can say that I've never been that much obssessed about something that much. Trying to prove myself something about how it's kinda over and that there's nothing that will happen who's gonna be "perfectly the same" but only "similar". I hope you're not offended in any way even though you're saying "Start a Fucking Riot!"Lenorahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07778321286389148904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-90318218447500737412010-10-01T06:38:07.871-07:002010-10-01T06:38:07.871-07:00Thanks for the accolades Tobi!! I have given my 90...Thanks for the accolades Tobi!! I have given my 90s zines (flat copies etc) to the Fales Library RIOT GRRRL Collection.<br />I too thought there were but two "R"s in RG. . . it's like a radical feminist typo that way. Thanks for writing this review. I love that Sara's book has prompted such illuminating responses from some of the main "characters" in GTTF.<br />xoxo JoUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18433151629414505933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-54491295097491144032010-10-01T06:02:12.726-07:002010-10-01T06:02:12.726-07:00This thoughtful, introspective and fascinating blo...This thoughtful, introspective and fascinating blog post begs the question: when are YOU going to write YOUR story of riot grr(r)l, Tobi? Your audience is hungry for more!Shannon Druryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16079448879370299353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-20865243025965084922010-09-30T15:08:42.672-07:002010-09-30T15:08:42.672-07:00So happy to read a new post!!
Human scab is as am...So happy to read a new post!!<br /><br />Human scab is as amazing as it ever was.<br /><br />so many times I have sung these songs in my head over the last 20+ years<br /><br />his lyrics could even fit into your post.<br /><br />I laughed thru the whole scolding!<br /><br />watch everything disappear!<br /><br />hope the jogging is still in effect and going well and your enjoying your northwest fall.<br /><br />xoxo<br /><br />spookUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08927908382998911122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-14201234961671235332010-09-29T16:11:04.445-07:002010-09-29T16:11:04.445-07:00Re: Spelling...thinking back to mid-late 90s zines...Re: Spelling...thinking back to mid-late 90s zines from when I was in high school...I've seen Grrl spelled with everything from two "r"s to maybe 10 "r"s. Admittedly, this is after R.G. had already been commodified and commercialized, though the zines were still underground. The quantity of "r"s in Grrl seemed to be related more to the emotion (mostly anger, frustration...) that the author was trying to convey than to any agreed upon spelling convention. It varied between and among authors. <br /><br />Re: Revolution Grrl Style Now...I think the whole phrase commands emphasis. While I agree that emphasis is justified on "revolution" and "now," I think it's tricky, because we (you and presumably anyone that reads your blog) are invariably approaching this from a feminist perspective. So it's fair to say that in emphasizing it REVOLUTION grrl style NOW, we're talking about a feminist revolution. But someone new to feminism, or even outside of feminism, might not be imputing a feminist perspective with that emphasis...which is why, I think, some folks prefer to emphasize GRRL STYLE. That makes it completely clear as to what sort of revolution we're calling for. Think of it this way...if someone spray painted REVOLUTION grrl style NOW! on a wall, and you're riding your bike past it, you might only see REVOLUTION NOW! That could mean anything. But if you see GRRL STYLE emphasized instead, you know that's some feminist graffiti! I realize this is a very literal interpretation of "emphasis," but I hope that it's helpful conceptually in explaining my point.<br /><br />I ordered the book and have already cleared a day out of my schedule to read it next weekend!Debb G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14055072107245941856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-28375321163459506142010-09-29T10:26:14.577-07:002010-09-29T10:26:14.577-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09427583827463973863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-5030668629340356952010-09-29T10:18:41.563-07:002010-09-29T10:18:41.563-07:00Hi Cathy, I remember! I loved getting your letters...Hi Cathy, I remember! I loved getting your letters! Please post your review after you read the book. xoxo TobiTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-19129902613722089882010-09-29T09:53:37.644-07:002010-09-29T09:53:37.644-07:00Hi Eric, you could be right! I just remember at fi...Hi Eric, you could be right! I just remember at first grrl had the one r and then after awhile there were three! It might have happened that way from the start, which is why I was asking, I actually don't remember. <br />When Johanna writes that she didn't identify as a riot grrl because she didn't go to meetings but then goes on to situate her work in a continuum from riot grrl I can totally relate.<br />That was another reason I didn't want to call myself a riot grrl. I didn't go to meetings and a lot of grrls did. <br />Bikini Kill was seen as representing riot grrl to the world, but by 1993, none of us were really going to riot grrl meetings, so it was important to me to be honest and clear about that.<br />Kathleen always identified with the term a little more than I did, but was I less than a feminist, no.<br />I also was feeling a little critical of riot grrl, but I didn't feel like, as a member of Bikini Kill, it was appropriate to voice those criticisms, so in a way, my strategy was to try and move on to the next punk rock feminist scene.<br />What really happened though is that Bikini Kill took over our lives and became our means of feminist expression.<br />I hope that explains a little more when I am coming form on this!<br />TobiTobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-38068868213262585882010-09-29T07:22:08.247-07:002010-09-29T07:22:08.247-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09427583827463973863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-11243848708060326452010-09-29T06:56:13.887-07:002010-09-29T06:56:13.887-07:00There is nothing better than a review that becomes...There is nothing better than a review that becomes a call for revolution. Thanks Ms TVmikkihttp://www.mikkipedia.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-77898101154045598422010-09-29T05:21:04.782-07:002010-09-29T05:21:04.782-07:00your writing is amazing and touching. i'll thi...your writing is amazing and touching. i'll think about your text and come back to you.. and yes, i'm looking forward to read the book as well! x didianahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01957298748169673240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-35836617611240636482010-09-29T00:00:56.448-07:002010-09-29T00:00:56.448-07:00I was one of those hopelessly enthusiastic grrrls ...I was one of those hopelessly enthusiastic grrrls reading a copy of JIGSAW I bought from GERL distro! I have to say I am really thankful for that experience and also thankful it's like 15+ years later and I am reading your amazing blog. Seriously, thank you, Tobi! Really looking forward to reading Sara's book. xoCathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03097606384649756852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-123795672671480637.post-88731449425368462422010-09-28T23:45:00.082-07:002010-09-28T23:45:00.082-07:00I should add that Jigsaw #5 was available through ...I should add that Jigsaw #5 was available through GERRL distro for a short time in the mid-90's, but I don't know how many copies they made.Tobi Vailhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02052149126555935296noreply@blogger.com